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 Lesbians & Women in RPGs, Pt. 2
Author: caryn mallard (---.swbell.net)
Date:   09-23-2001 23:20

As a bone fide member of the culture beneath the stairs---a favourite necking hideout, by the way---I should like to answer some of the thoughts and rants that have been about on this topic. I am a Lesbian, and a gamer, and out on both counts!

I read the short posts on something called DP9 with interest, because it is in just such a manner that I have always run my game (for some 25-odd years now). Yet I cannot imagine any of the longstanding lesbian or gay characters in my game finding a place in a commercial RPG supplment or scenario. Two women, happily married. Not bi-babes out prowling for str8 grrls and their stud husbands. Women wearing armour, not push-up leather bras holding huge plastio implants. Women who don't hate men, rather they simply don't care about them, instead of man-hating biker butches.

Lesbians are just women. There isn't anything "queer" about us. Except for an unhappy few, who long to be other than they are, you couldn't tell us from your sister. I guarantee that you know a lesbian. You may not be aware she is a lesbian, but you know one. Same for gays, I expect.

As for my game, I have six core players, four women (3 str8, 1 lesbian), one gay male, and one husband. We mix roleplaying and fighting pretty evenly during sessions, but we roleplay quite a bit during "down" times. Possibly because I am a woman, and possibly because I am a lesbian, there has always been a lot of sexual content in our roleplaying, a fact that holds true with all my groups over the years. From what I have observed, sex and sexuality are also prevelant in almost any game which takes things beyond dungeoneering.

Which leads to the first pitfall of gaming with mixed groups. Whenever a male is dating a woman in a gaming group, he can almost certainly be counted on to act in a proprietary manner toward her characters, even the male ones, and if her character becomes involved with someone else, to become quarrelsome or even bellicose. Which generaly results in the woman leaving the group, not the obnoxious boy.

Likewise, when males, particularly males who have little or no sexual experience with women, play women characters, they can generally be counted on to do one of two things: play them chaste, or make them bisexual (which means str8 but sexually interested in women), or even make them homosexual but conventional (they have sex with women, but do not threaten male power structures or entrenched privledges). The younger the male, the more ridiculous the clothing, as well.

In terms of how to make RPGs more inclusive, more representational, I feel that what inhibits such change is boyz themselves. Young males, and even males in their twenties and sometimes early thirties, see women as sexual creatures, persons whose primary attributes are her sex, and its availability to them. They imbue RPG women with those qualities they think to be absent in women they know: sharp sexual appetite, a relaxed demeanor (one of the guys), and just enough personality to fit their particular wishes (dominant, submissive, weepy, stoic, etc).

The challenge for women and lesbians in RPGs is to create viable women characters, dynamic and dimensional, who break out of these stereotypes and achieve prominence in their gaming worlds. We have to create women who are powerful, empowered by something beyond their sexual allure or their helplessness. A woman whose value is in her sword, just as a males might be, or in her skill at tracking and hunting, just as a man might be.

We need lesbians who aren't about sex, but about a life ceentered on women. Who live with women, journey with women, fight beside and against women, and who do not measure themselves by and as men do.

Above all, we need to fight the proliferation of fantasy constructs in the place of naturalish women. I understand no one besides me wants to play an ugly character. But there is a difference between a beautiful, shapely woman---even one with *very* large breasts, boyz---and the skanky, platsic-titted contructs straight out of modern pornography or the titty-bar, that populate todays RPG modules and rulebooks.

Otherwise, gaming will continue to be a realm where a great many women do not feel comfortable.

Whew!

caryn

 Topics Author  Date
 Lesbians & Women in RPGs, Pt. 2  
caryn mallard 09-23-2001 23:20 
 The PC brigade is back!  new
Ascension Mage 09-26-2001 16:43 
 RE: The PC brigade is back!  new
caryn mallard 09-28-2001 01:00 
 No apologies!  new
Ascension Mage 10-01-2001 12:23 
 RE: No apologies!  new
Qit el-Remel 10-14-2001 12:17 
 RE: No apologies!  new
Ascension Mage 10-15-2001 10:55 
 RE: No apologies!  new
Qit el-Remel 10-15-2001 11:40 
 RE: No apologies!  new
Ascension Mage 10-15-2001 11:57 
 Okay, LONG compilation here.  new
Ascension Mage 10-15-2001 13:42 
 RE: Okay, LONG compilation here.  new
Qit el-Remel 10-15-2001 22:36 
 More semantics issues  new
Ascension Mage 10-16-2001 11:05 
 RE: More semantics issues  new
Qit el-Remel 10-16-2001 17:38 
 RE: More semantics issues  new
Ascension Mage 10-16-2001 17:57 
 RE: Okay, LONG compilation here.  new
caryn mallard 10-15-2001 23:06 
 I NEVER sent you ANY e-mails!  new
Ascension Mage 10-16-2001 10:45 
 What's the sender's e-mail address?  new
Ascension Mage 10-16-2001 11:13 
 P.S. Is this it?  new
Ascension Mage 10-16-2001 11:18 
 RE: No apologies!  new
Iceberg 3k 02-17-2002 05:02 
 Re: PC brigade  new
Siskoid 09-28-2001 10:03 
 Re: PC brigade  new
caryn mallard 09-29-2001 02:36 
 Again, no apologies  new
Ascension Mage 10-01-2001 11:34 
 Okay, this is a discussion...  new
Zack 10-01-2001 14:47 
 RE: Okay, this is a discussion...  new
Ascension Mage 10-01-2001 15:45 
 Fight in the shadow (nT)  new
Safo 10-01-2001 15:53 
 Of mice and misandry  new
Phil 10-02-2001 13:54 
 ROFLMAO!!!!  new
Ascension Mage 10-02-2001 14:08 
 RE: Okay, this is a discussion...  new
The Tiefling Battleax 10-14-2001 12:30 
 RE: Okay, this is a discussion...  new
Ascension Mage 10-15-2001 11:20 
 RE: Okay, this is a discussion...  new
Qit el-Remel 10-15-2001 12:00 
 RE: Okay, this is a discussion...  new
Ascension Mage 10-15-2001 12:06 
 Sigh  new
Siskoid 10-02-2001 10:48 
 RE: Sigh  new
Ascension Mage 10-02-2001 11:31 
 RE: Sigh  new
The Tiefling Battleax 10-14-2001 12:40 
 RE: Sigh  new
Ascension Mage 10-15-2001 11:29 
 RE: Again, no apologies  new
Qit el-Remel 10-14-2001 12:21 
 RE: Again, no apologies  new
Ascension Mage 10-15-2001 11:33 
 RE: Lesbians & Women in RPGs, Pt. 2  new
caryn mallard 09-28-2001 01:47 
 Political rants  new
Safo 09-29-2001 10:49 
 RE: Political rants  new
caryn mallard 09-29-2001 21:16 
 RE: Political rants  new
Phil 09-30-2001 11:26 
 RE: Political rants  new
caryn mallard 10-01-2001 00:15 
 RE: Political rants  new
Phil 10-01-2001 11:32 
 RE: Political rants  new
Safo 09-30-2001 15:31 
 RE: Political rants  new
Safo 09-30-2001 15:37 
 RE: Political rants  new
caryn mallard 10-01-2001 00:31 
 RE: Annoyance  new
Safo 10-01-2001 15:42 
 RE: Annoyance  new
caryn mallard 10-02-2001 00:29 
 RE: Annoyance  new
Sapphe 10-02-2001 09:41 
 RE: Lesbians & Women in RPGs, Pt. 2  new
Cdrac 09-29-2001 23:47 
 RE: Lesbians & Women in RPGs, Pt. 2  new
caryn mallard 10-01-2001 01:04 
 RE: Lesbians & Women in RPGs, Pt. 2  new
Cdrac 10-01-2001 01:37 
 RE: Lesbians & Women in RPGs, Pt. 2  new
caryn mallard 10-01-2001 02:02 
 To Continue...  new
caryn mallard 10-02-2001 01:19 
 RE: To Continue...  new
Ascension Mage 10-03-2001 13:02 
 Where generalizations fail  new
Siskoid 10-01-2001 07:09 
 RE: Where generalizations fail  new
caryn mallard 10-02-2001 02:00 
 To clarify a cowardly response  new
Ascension Mage 10-02-2001 10:59 
 More caryn blathering  new
Ascension Mage 10-02-2001 17:55 
 RE: More caryn blathering  new
NC 10-02-2001 19:48 
 I just got it  new
Siskoid 10-03-2001 10:41 
 RE: I just got it  new
Ascension Mage 10-03-2001 12:40 
 RE: I just got it  new
Qit el-Remel 10-14-2001 12:48 
 RE: I just got it  new
NC 10-08-2001 20:07 
 Just more man-bashing  new
Ascension Mage 10-01-2001 13:13 
 You're way off base, caryn.  new
Johnny Folklore 10-01-2001 15:20 
 Hmm...  new
Zack 09-30-2001 22:59 
 Lesbians, Women, and Gaming, Pt. 3  new
caryn mallard 10-01-2001 01:58 
 Boyz to Men  new
Siskoid 10-01-2001 06:56 
 RE: Boyz to Men  new
caryn mallard 10-02-2001 01:00 
 RE: Boyz to Men  new
Qit el-Remel 10-14-2001 12:56 
 RE: Boyz to Men  new
Ascension Mage 10-15-2001 11:42 
 RE: Lesbians, Women, and Gaming, Pt. 3  new
Mant 10-04-2001 07:19 
 RE: Lesbians, Women, and Gaming, Pt. 3  new
caryn mallard 10-04-2001 08:43 
 RE: Lesbians, Women, and Gaming, Pt. 3  new
Nelson Crowe 10-04-2001 10:04 
 RE: Lesbians, Women, and Gaming, Pt. 3  new
caryn mallard 10-04-2001 14:55 
 RE: Lesbians, Women, and Gaming, Pt. 3  new
Ascension Mage 10-04-2001 15:39 
 RE: Lesbians, Women, and Gaming, Pt. 3  new
Nelson Crowe 10-04-2001 17:42 
 Wrong again  new
Ascension Mage 10-04-2001 10:40 
 RE: Lesbians, Women, and Gaming, Pt. 3  new
Mant 10-05-2001 00:58 
 In Defense of Men part 1  new
Charlemagne1980 12-25-2001 13:03 
 RE: Hmm...  new
Qit el-Remel 10-14-2001 12:52 
 Point...  new
Zack 10-01-2001 14:39 
 oops.  new
Zack 10-01-2001 14:40 
 RE: Point...  new
caryn mallard 10-02-2001 02:13 
 Maybe, but...  new
Zack 10-02-2001 16:45 
 RE: Maybe, but...  new
caryn mallard 10-03-2001 06:26 
 RE: Maybe, but...  new
Ascension Mage 10-03-2001 14:41 
 RE: Maybe, but...  new
The Tiefling Battleax 10-14-2001 13:02 
 RE: Maybe, but...  new
Ascension Mage 10-15-2001 12:02 
 RE: Maybe, but...  new
The Tiefling Battleax 10-17-2001 13:21 
 RE: Maybe, but...  new
Ascension Mage 10-18-2001 10:30 
 RE: Maybe, but...  new
The Tiefling Battleax 10-18-2001 11:23 
 RE: Maybe, but...  new
Ascension Mage 10-18-2001 12:58 
 RE: Maybe, but...  new
Iceberg 3k 02-10-2002 20:20 
 And just one more thing...  new
The Tiefling Battleax 10-18-2001 11:44 
 RE: And just one more thing...  new
Ascension Mage 10-18-2001 12:50 
 Get away from her you bitch.  new
Phil 10-19-2001 12:29 
 New angle...  new
Zack 10-04-2001 18:54 
 Point...  new
Zack 10-01-2001 14:40 
 I donīt see your problem ...  new
Arbiter 10-04-2001 14:04 
 RE: I donīt see your problem ...  new
The Tiefling Battleax 10-14-2001 13:05 
 So itīs the gays ...  new
Arbiter 10-17-2001 17:33 
 RE: So itīs the gays ...  new
The Tiefling Battleax 10-17-2001 22:42 
 RE: So itīs the gays ...  new
Phil 10-19-2001 11:15 
 RE: Lesbians & Women in RPGs, Pt. 2  new
Qit el-Remel 10-14-2001 12:43 
 This?  new
Ascension Mage 10-15-2001 10:42 
 RE: Lesbians & Women in RPGs, Pt. 2  new
Phil 10-15-2001 12:24 
 RE: Lesbians & Women in RPGs, Pt. 2  new
caryn mallard 10-15-2001 22:38 
 RE: Lesbians & Women in RPGs, Pt. 2  new
caryn mallard 10-15-2001 22:45 
 Here goes....  new
Phil 10-16-2001 11:51 
 Excellent post!  new
Ascension Mage 10-16-2001 12:05 
 RE: Excellent post!  new
NC 10-16-2001 20:05 
 RE: Excellent post!  new
Qit el-Remel 10-16-2001 22:14 
 RE: Excellent post!  new
Ascension Mage 10-17-2001 10:07 
 RE: Okay, LONG compilation here.  new
Maestro23 10-16-2001 09:20 
 I demand an apology  new
Charlemagne1980 12-25-2001 12:27 
 RE: Lesbians & Women in RPGs, Pt. 2  new
Iceberg 3k 02-17-2002 08:44 

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